Coase Colored Glasses

Wednesday, September 21, 2005

Coase Colored Glasses

From Cafe Hayek:
Profits vs. Love
Russell Roberts

In the aftermath of Katrina, some are condemning the mercenary motive that prompted some to help. From the Washington Post (sr):

The last winds of Hurricane Katrina were whipping the loblolly pines of southern Mississippi when Greg Newman showed up before 5 a.m. to open the Home Depot store he runs here. He found six customers huddled at the door in pitch darkness, wanting generators, and that afternoon, the line grew to 600.

He hit the phones to reel in truckloads of the precious machines. The store itself came to life on generator power, and soon the cash registers were ringing. By evening, Newman's customers had their lights and refrigerators working. "Nobody went home without a generator that night," he said.

In the days since Katrina hit, his store's sales volume has quintupled.

It's an unsettling but inescapable fact about natural disasters on the scale of Hurricane Katrina: Even before the tears stop flowing, the money starts churning.

Why is it unsettling? I think because we would prefer a world where people got up before 5 am out of love rather than self-interest, out of compassion and love rather than greed and profit. But isn't it both? Didn't Greg Newman feel good about doing his job that day, knowing he was helping people in a more dramatic way than usual? Do you think that when he was making those calls rounding up generators he was thinking, Boy, my boss is going to be really happy. I'm going to get a good raise this year? Maybe. But I'm sure it wasn't all he was thinking. I bet he was glad to be helping people in distress.

A few years back I wrote about the power of these two motives, altruism and self-interest when they work together. I was writing about people who drive down to Florida after a hurricane hoping to sell lumber at a profit. Both the saints and the mercenaries go:

Here's the key insight of economics—some of those folks who go down with a song in their heart because they know they're helping others would have stayed home if the price of lumber hadn't soared. It's hard to get in your car and disrupt your life and give up your lumber. The monetary incentive makes it easier. The higher price doesn't just induce the hard-hearted to go. It induces the altruist as well.

But if people are altruistic, won't they go without the monetary incentive? Sure, some will. Just not as many. You might be tempted to say that without the monetary incentive, only the saints will go. But even this misses the point. Some saints will stay home because they have saintly things to do at home. The monetary incentive applies to them as well. Even saints can do more good in the world when they have more resources than when they have less.

16 Comments:

At 11:11 AM, Blogger Spencer M. Taylor said...

As for me, I've found when both alturism and self-interest are working hand in hand, success will be sure to follow. Why do doctors demand so much for their services? Why are garbage men payed less. Both are helping society in a serious way, some would argue that they should be paid the same.

My argument against this illogical thought process: We all have different marketable skills and advantages that, if used properly, can earn us alot of money.

Socialism will not solve anybody's problems.

 
At 11:51 AM, Anonymous Blair Wardle said...

Someone must play devil's advocate here, so here is my defense of limiting price gouging...

From an economic stand point there is efficiency and profit in allowing prices to soar, and businesses to gouge. But, let's be honest, in reality efficiency and profit aren't the only things that matter.

Say for instance that I am a poor college student trying to work full time and go to school full time (ok that's true). My long term plan includes the idea that I will work full time to allow myself some extra cash to save for the next semester. This is assuming that there is no major changes in my income. Suddenly, because of a natural disaster gas prices soar (and theoretically there's no laws barring gouging). My extra income that I was saving for the next semester is now necessary for my current gas consumption. Biking & busing are not attractive options (and in themselves cause inefficiency for me).

If this cycle were to continue, and prices are allowed to skyrocket. I suddenly cannot afford school and must quit. Suppose this is the case with numerous other students. Soon, graduation rates fall (because people can't afford it) and power is shifted to the hands of the businesses reaping huge profits. Would this not be a regression back to times of an aristocracy? Perhaps my example is a stretch, but nonetheless, it is possible.

I am neither for or against allowing markets to determine prices. I am inconclusive. But, what does anybody have to say to this?

Blair
(Law & Economics)

 
At 10:08 PM, Blogger Scott said...

It appears a great deal of altruism has already been shown towards the people of New Orleans. Donations and professionals pouring into the area, some held back by local government unfortunatly, but the will and effort are there.

 
At 6:45 AM, Blogger unum said...

I'm missing the part where the article says this manager is guilty of price gouging. As far as I can tell from the article he sold these units at the regular price. I think the author was making a statement about how much money would need to be spent by the victims. I don't think the author meant that one organization should give away all those generators, but was instead making a statment about how there should be more organized involvement by the govrnment. So that when disaster sturck people could just be taken care of, and they would not have to be ruined.

 
At 7:17 AM, Blogger Spencer M. Taylor said...

Blair has a great point! Let's get back to socialism! Let's practice redistribution at it's finest.

First of all, make yourself marketable enough to where you don't have to work full time during the school year to pay for your own education. What is more in convenient to you-paying $3.10 for a gallon of gas, or riding a bike/bus/walk those few blocks/miles to school?

Blair, it's all about what you value, is it not? Do you value warm car with heated seats or Jack Frost constantly biting you nose?

Besides, the market will always find a way to work more efficiently, in the long run. Somebody will invent the hybrid car, which is in the workings now. The school will offer online courses due to its demand, which they are doing now. Somebody will always be able the think of a way to increase production and lower costs.

It is because of big business that you have a car, bike, cell phone, house, computer, everything. Don’t be so harsh.

 
At 10:12 AM, Anonymous Blair Wardle said...

Spencer, I think that in you're excitement of being able to fight with someone you're missing an essential part of my statement. I made no mention of advocating socialism or even ending price gouging. For the sake of argument, I wanted to present a different point of view... even if it isn't what I necessarily think (which it isn't). So relax a little.

But to continue the conversation...

It is probably equally inconvenient for me to pay $3.10 or walk/bike. Therefore, neither of these solutions are appealing. What would work best for my own self-interest is lower gas prices. This may not be the economic solution, but for my own circumstances, it is the best solution.

You made some suggestions... What if I live in Tremonton and attend school in Logan? Suddenly biking, walking, and busing are no longer an option. The only way to conserve is to move to Logan, which presents us with another problem. Now my rent is higher. If I don't have a bike, I must purchase one. So I am still facing the same problem of cost of living.

Hybrid cars may not be a possibility if someone doesn't have credit. Internet classes are great, if you can get a connection. You may have to subscribe to Internet service, which will impose more on your cost of living. Certainly, not every class can be done over the Internet, anyway. What about labs?
Sorry, I'm getting technical here.

Anyway, it seems that the only cost efficient option for me is to quit school. The theory you represent is a great one...however, it may not be all-encompassing for every circumstance.

Lastly, this is for you Spencer...

THIS VIEW DOES NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT MY OWN.

I make this argument for the sake of argument! Don't be the "likes to fight guy"...

 
At 9:02 AM, Blogger J. Alexander said...

Blair... I know you are just playing devil's advocate, so I will do the same for your hypothetical argument. You have left one crucial economic factor out of your analysis: incentives. If, as you theorize, there were a natural disaster and the COST of gasoline went up, providers of gasoline must raise their prices in order to cover their costs and make a profit. Cost and price are two very different things; price can be controlled, but the cost is what it is unless you find new technology. If gas stations were artificially restricted from raising the gas price, they may not be able to make a profit and would therefore stop providing the gas altogether; leaving you no option but to ride your bike. Basic supply and demand, and even history, show us that price ceilings for a good will cause a shortage in that good (if the price ceiling is set below the market equilibrium price).

 
At 9:36 AM, Blogger Spencer M. Taylor said...

Blair, as you play the devil's advocate, you present weak arguments. That is why I posted. Sorry I offended you.

Let me also play the devil's advocate. Here we go. I think the left often uses these very reasons.

My feelings are hurt because I "have" to drop out of school due to high prices in gas.

I hate riding my bike up Old Main Hill everyday...it is starting to get cold outside.

Due to my misfortune in credit, I can no longer purchase such expensive toys like a hybrid car.

I have to buy internet...everything in my life is liability.

Blair, getting your feelings hurt is not a solid argument. And while I agree with J. Alexander on the idea that businesses will try to take advantage to the consumers, I also will also disagree that it would continue to happen the long run. With so much competition in supplying wood, motel rooms, water, whatever, the consumers will pay what they deem as reasonable and the producers will charge what they deem as reasonable. Both parties will continue to win.

 
At 12:40 PM, Anonymous Blair said...

Now we're getting somewhere!

J.Alexander, that was an EXCELLENT point. The best argument I've heard. Very well stated and hard to argue. But, once again, for the sake of argument, I'll try to counter again...

In your response, you have also made an unfair assumption. You are assuming that gas providers will not be able to make profit if prices are restricted. What if, perhaps, they will make a profit unless prices drop below $.50 per gallon. Keeping gasoline prices at, say, $2.00 gallon will still give them a 75% profit margin. That's pretty good! With price restrictions I would be able to continue my way of life, and producers would still be making a profit. Who's losing?

Granted, prices cannot be held back so as to make a business bankrupt. That would be stupid, regardless of price.

Now, Spencer...
You are absolutely correct! My arguments are weak! It's not easy to defend a viewpoint that isn't my beleif and is contrary to every Economics class offered at USU! Nonetheless, I'm taking a stab at it to see where the argument takes us...

The whining and complaining is very much reflective of the left wing, I agree. I am a laissez-faire right winger myself and get tired of the leaky arguments of the left too. Bear with me. I'm only taking this side for the sake of the conversation...

 
At 1:40 PM, Blogger J. Alexander said...

Blair,
Since you're a capitalist you're probably going to agree with this (and likely new I would say it). You are right, a 75% margin is great, but since when does the government have the right to dictate what profit margins will be? If margins were too high (concerning overall efficiency) competing gas stations would start to offer lower prices and take business away from the high-margin gas stations. Market forces, when left FREE to act on their own, will always drive the price to the efficient level. If the market equilibrium price was below $2, a price ceiling at $2 would have absolutley no effect, and would not make any sense (even from the standpoint of those in favor of price controls).

 
At 2:23 PM, Blogger D.Johnson said...

A price hike during a natural disaster is also necessary to prevent hording, so more people can get some gas and a few people don't take most of the gas. The price hike is good, and in Blair's (devil’s advocate) hypothetical, he is going to have to adapt his lifestyle to fit the changing situation. In addition, as time passes the price will settle and find its equilibrium.

 
At 7:52 AM, Anonymous Blair said...

J.Alex,
See, now Spencer got it out of me that I AM a capitalist and it's not as fun, huh?! Shame on you Spencer!

With that capitalistic spirit I would agree that government should allow businesses the freedom of setting their profit margins, however, here's something to think about...

I'm afraid I can argue that government already does control profit margin to some extent. Is this not what taxing does? The businesses are forced to tack on a sales tax to their goods. With the supply/demand curve in mind, a consumer won't pay over a given price for a quantity supplied. When we throw a tax in there it raises the price of an item and therefore limits the profits that a business could make (since a consumer won't pay over the given price). Say we had an 8% tax. Without this tax, a business would be able to pocket that 8% themselves.

On another note, it appears that you have conceded the original argument. The original question was whether or not gov't should stop price gouging. Now, it would appear that it has shifted to whether government has the right to dictate profit margins. An entirely different topic altogether.

J.Alex, your points are great ones, and I agree with you. I'm impressed with your defense, but it seems that we've strayed from the argument.

 
At 11:36 AM, Blogger J. Alexander said...

Funny how new arguments can evolve in different directions. I guess that's why political debates must have moderators.

 
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